Lucifer As Worship Leader In Heaven

Sadly he is the “worship leader” for many these days. Thanks Matt… I was praying that I’d be able to find the verse describing Satan’s beginning. I had thought it had something to do with vanity… I’ll have to read those in some other versions now.

Satan, in his extreme grandiosity, desired to be worshiped by all of Heaven. He wanted to be God. Long story short, this didn’t go over with God very well, and satan was booted from Heaven. Now, one of the hundreds of proofs to convict him of counterfeit, of islame for instance, is that he now has his dream come true. There are people by the millions worshipping him, actually believing that they are worshipping God Himself, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. However, it is the god of this world, the god of lies, the god of hate, the god of violence and the god of deception that they are worshipping and they don’t even know it.

Another proof is the denial of the deity of Jesus and His death on the cross, since this is the foundation for the faith of Christians that they are saved, forgiven, healed, delivered, etc. Satan has, as bad as I hate to admit it, clearly counterfeited a cult to resemble the real thing and millions have fallen for it (pun definitely not intended).

To counterfeit a $20 bill you must use green ink, a picture of a president, use the same size and shape paper, etc. Otherwise no store cashier would ever believe that it was a real $20 bill. For someone to take the counterfeit bill they must believe that it’s real. To counterfeit a religion, you must also use ingredients to add validity such as the use of Abraham, Moses and even Jesus Himself. However, the koran mentions Jesus as “one of God’s prophets”, but that He was replaced on the cross by someone else who simply resembled Him and a host of other lies.

Lies are fingerprints of satan and on and on. The fact that islame’s founder, muhammad, who was a proven child molester, thief, liar, rapist, murderer, extortionist and false prophet even believed originally that he was “demon possessed” would send a message to anyone with simple common sense that this cult could not be in any way “holy” or of the true and living God of The Bible. There are hundreds more pieces of evidence that prove the god of islame is none other than the ol’ boy satan himself.

Ezekiel 28:13 says ….thy “tabrets” and thy “pipes” was prepared in thee in the day thou wast created. Tabrets = tambourine pipes = Groove, socket, hole, cavity, settings, technical term relating to jewellers work. Our God created him for a purpose. Lucifer is a work of “art”. Ezekiel 28:14 says he is the “anointed” Cherub. anointed comes from th greek “mimshach” and is only used one time in the bible it relates to root word “mashach” in the sense of expansion. Mashach = consecrated Anaointed is used many times from the greek “mashiyach” but only once from “mimshack” which attaches a sense of expansion to it. so we “could” say Lucifer was created and consecrated by God and that he was expanded or made “greater”. Ezekiel 28 verse 13 has lucifer covered in 9 of the 12 stones(representing the 12 tribes) the levite priests were required to wear on their breast plates (reference Exodus 28:17-20)

tamborine and Pipes artistically designed as part of the creature that is Lucifer not carried around but physically in him, apart of his physical person, leads me to belive he was created to make music for the Lord. being Anointed in an expanded sense and covered by the stones insenuates leadership role.

Ezekiel 28 verse 14 says he was the cherub that “covereth” Covereth = Hedge or fence in, to screen cover overshadow or protect.

Psalms 22:3 says God inhabits the praise of his people.

we can safely say Lucifer was designed as a musical instrument for God and anointed to lead all of the hosts of heaven in worship of God. to create a covering for God to inhabit.

He failed to do this and was cast out (Jude 6). In Luke 10:18 Jesus said he watched Lucifer, as lightning, fall from heaven. Satan is a very real creation of God. and does not want any one or any thing to replace him.

If I may add, We as God’s creation have the glorious opportunity and resposnibility to replace this fallen angel to not only worship but to Call all of God’s creation to worship Him.

Rev 4:11 “Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

I actually got into this discussion the other day…

First, Lucifer – as a name, is the Latin translation given by St. Jerome to Isaiah’s obvious reference to the King of Babylon who was historically recognized wit hthe “Day Star” or Venus. In fact, the King of Babylon was often considered the offspring of the Sun, and since Venus also shown during the day, etc… anyways. Secondly, Babylonian and Persian kings were known for their extravagance in everything, especially music and parties. Hence, again the references to music and extravagance. Now, believe me, as a believer in the Christian faith, I recognize evil, and even the “devil” as real, but, I ask that people dig deeper and realize most terms we have, i.e Lucifer, are more modern conventions – I seriosuly doubt God named an angel Lucifer… in a language that didn’t quite exist yet. Also, even the term satan is grossly misjudged in the O.T. for satan usually represents an angel… i,e. a spy for God to discover the people’s wickedness and report back to God… also as a tester.. i.e. with Job. Faith is important… and ideology can mesh well with faith, but history and accurate context are equally important when researching and studying the Scriptures. Lastly, I challenge the person who cannot even spell Islam right, and ask him how many times he has read an Explaination of the Hoyl Qu’ran? probably never :) God Bless!

Saepe Nihli Cogitamus, JAred

i dont think it really matters if he was or wasn’t the worship leader… he uses every worldly thing possible to deceive us anyways. and besides, even if he was the leader of worship in heaven, obviously he’s not anymore and yet worship is still being held and its being done without him ‘leading’ it, if that was his job. i guess i look at this being obvious that music and worship is still continuing and never stopped even when he lost his position, so i assume that he wasnt the only one created for that job if he actually was at all. im not positive of any of this, just wanted to share my opinion.

Very interesting viewpoints…. but there are a few things I would like to comment on…

1. As believers, especially in the times in which we live…we cannot just bury our heads and think that the study of these types of things are worthless…on the contrary…we must be diligent to study to show ourselves approved unto God, a workman that need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15)

2. The reason this is important for beleivers to know and understand is this…. Paul exhorts beleivers to be Soldiers does he not?

2 Timothy 2:3-4 ESV Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. (4) No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him.

As a former Soldier in the Military I can share that good battle plans require knowing & studying ones enemy, we MUST know our enemy…so that we will know his tatics, but also we must know him so we DON'T loose focus on the Mission at hand. Our "Mission" if you will as believers and Soldiers of the Most High God is to be vessels used for furthering HIS Kingdom…

Interesting to note: It was also the Singers and Musicians who went before the LORD's Army before a major battle…. to send a message to the enemy front that we are about to step on their territory and take some ground.

1. The most concerning thing I saw here is, we are not supposed to be simply bystanders…but as believers we must be proactive in every thought, word and deed concerning the Kingdom of God…..even if that means studying about Lucifer being the Worship leader of Heaven….which by the way, should be extremely important to all of us as Worshipers of our Messiah…Jesus!

if Lucifer/satan asked for forgiveness would you forgive him?

I think your post is dead on. Satan/Lucifer was a created angel that by all we can tell, was made to lead worship to God. I don't understand the part about "By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned" It sounds like he somehow manipulated other angels.
Today it's so obvious we have a heavy influence to want to gather praise and attention to ourselves, and neglect God. I wonder where this influence comes from? This fallen angel is wandering the Earth looking for anyone he can corrupt.

How should that part of verse 13 be translated – does it refer to "pipes" and "tambourines" or "timbrels" or "tabrets" as some bible-versions have it, or to "settings" and "sockets" or "engravings", as some other translations have it?

Some preachers, claiming that Ezekiel 28 is "about Satan", have then further claimed that "Satan produced beautiful music". That is because some bible-versions make it seem that verse 13 refers to "tabrets" and "pipes". ("Tabret" is a kind of a small drum; "pipe" is a flute or similar.)

But, for instance the 1917 Jewish Publication Society translation interprets the Hebrew text of that verse to refer to "settings" and "sockets" (for gems) – those mentioned in the context, in that same verse:

Ezekiel 28:13 [...] every precious stone was thy covering, the carnelian, the topaz, and the emerald, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the carbuncle, and the smaragd, and gold; the workmanship of thy settings and of thy sockets was in thee, in the day that thou wast created they were prepared. (JPS-1917)

Note the words "the workmanship of thy settings and of thy sockets". The NASB has "settings and sockets"; the RSV has "settings" and "engravings", the HCSB has "mountings and settings"; several other translations have similar wordings. And, that is what they obviously were: Not music instruments, but sockets for the gems mentioned in the first part of that verse.

This is what the Online Bible's Hebrew-English lexicon has on the Hebrew word neqeb (which some have rendered as "pipes" in that verse):

A bezel (for a gem) 1) groove, socket, hole, cavity, settings 1a) technical term relating to jeweller's work

Even Strong's lexicon says the same:

A bezel (for a gem)

Both lexicons add a note that the makers of the KJ version rendered neqeb as "pipe".

But, some might ask, "What about the word toph in the Hebrew text of that verse – does it not mean 'a drum'?" Well, toph certainly could refer to a small drum, but then, there is the question, was it really toph that Ezekiel wrote? The point here is that ancient Hebrew was written with consonants only; the added phonetic signs to mark vowels were produced much later, around 1000 CE, and those who did that did not always get it right. In the present-day Hebrew text, the word in question is written with the consonants thav-pe-yod-kaph, but it is not clear what the phonetic signs for vowels should have been. Many translators, including those who produced the above-quoted 1917 Jewish Publication Society version, have felt that the word (consonants) in question must have referred to "settings" or similar.

All in all, it is obvious that the last part of Ezekiel 28:13 refers to flashy gems and other decorations that were used or displayed when that man was "made" – crowned as – the king of the trading city of Tyre.

A note: The LXX (the Greek Septuagint version) has a somewhat different wording. Here is Brenton's translation of the last part of verse 13 in the LXX:

Ezekiel 28:13 [...] thou hast bound upon thee every precious stone, the sardius, and topaz, and emerald, and carbuncle, and sapphire, and jasper, and silver, and gold, and ligure, and agate, and amethyst, and chrysolite, and beryl, and onyx: and thou hast filled thy treasures and thy stores in thee with gold. (LXXE)

("Treasures" and "stores" – the Greek text of the Septuagint has θησαυρους and αποθηκας.)