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]]> By: Matt http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3945 Matt Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:52:44 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3945 Turn the other cheek Love your enemies Our enemies are not flesh and blood uhh... thou shalt not kill This really isn't hard at all. You just have to ignore half of the Bible... :) Turn the other cheek

Love your enemies

Our enemies are not flesh and blood

uhh… thou shalt not kill

This really isn’t hard at all. You just have to ignore half of the Bible… :)

]]> By: Pat http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3944 Pat Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:37:10 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3944 Yes, I did. Still giggling, in fact. And that's my point - that probably took very little effort. It would probably take even less to pick out a few verses and apply them to the document, which they didn't do. Love your neighbor as yourself. Whatever you did for one of the least of these, you did for me. See, that was easy! Don't tell me a bunch of bishops can't pull that off. Yes, I did. Still giggling, in fact.
And that’s my point - that probably took very little effort. It would probably take even less to pick out a few verses and apply them to the document, which they didn’t do.
Love your neighbor as yourself. Whatever you did for one of the least of these, you did for me.
See, that was easy! Don’t tell me a bunch of bishops can’t pull that off.

]]> By: Dave B http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3938 Dave B Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:15:31 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3938 Sorry... I couldn't resist... even though I know it weakens my position... You laughed... admitt it! Sorry… I couldn’t resist… even though I know it weakens my position…

You laughed… admitt it!

]]> By: Dave B http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3937 Dave B Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:13:36 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3937 Bah... pulling "a few verses" out of context is for lightweights.... watch this... "...and God said... ...Mathew... ...is... ...wrong..." -The bible "...burning bush... ...would be... ...a blessing... ...unto the people..." -The bible Bah… pulling “a few verses” out of context is for lightweights…. watch this…

“…and God said… …Mathew… …is… …wrong…”
-The bible

“…burning bush… …would be… …a blessing… …unto the people…”
-The bible

]]> By: Pat http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3916 Pat Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:49:10 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3916 Dave- I have no problem with my faith influencing my politics - in fact, I think it would be hypocritical if it did not. My point here was that the Declaration for Peace has nothing to do with the Bible. It is a political statement signed by religious leaders with no spiritual justification. This, to me, is pretty telling. You can be pretty lazy and still come up with a few out-of-context verses to justify almost anything. Dave-
I have no problem with my faith influencing my politics - in fact, I think it would be hypocritical if it did not. My point here was that the Declaration for Peace has nothing to do with the Bible. It is a political statement signed by religious leaders with no spiritual justification. This, to me, is pretty telling. You can be pretty lazy and still come up with a few out-of-context verses to justify almost anything.

]]> By: A Brief Rant On Biblical Literalism - Matt and Nancy Heerema http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3912 A Brief Rant On Biblical Literalism - Matt and Nancy Heerema Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:20:17 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3912 [...] subscribe to this site « Bush’s Own Church Calls For Pulling Troops Out Of Iraq [...] […] subscribe to this site « Bush’s Own Church Calls For Pulling Troops Out Of Iraq […]

]]> By: Tim http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3911 Tim Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:10:15 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3911 I meant "leaving" not "leading" in my earlier post. A Freuding slip, I'm sure. I meant “leaving” not “leading” in my earlier post. A Freuding slip, I’m sure.

]]> By: Matt http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3910 Matt Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:08:02 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3910 The post was intended to create a bit of discussion, not give a definitive stance (yet). Looks like it's working. Just wanted to call attention to the story. The post was intended to create a bit of discussion, not give a definitive stance (yet). Looks like it’s working.

Just wanted to call attention to the story.

]]> By: Tim http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3909 Tim Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:05:44 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3909 This blog connects some dots but you get no clear picture after doing so. Matt, how about an opinion next time rather than leading that up to your readers. ...or is this some kind of blogging ploy to prompt replies. Hmmmm... This blog connects some dots but you get no clear picture after doing so. Matt, how about an opinion next time rather than leading that up to your readers.
…or is this some kind of blogging ploy to prompt replies. Hmmmm…

]]> By: Dave B http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3893 Dave B Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:48:56 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3893 Some randumb thoughts... 1)I"m going to leave alone the whole main point of this post because I moslty agree with the position. 2)The Catholic bishops (there are more than one) who have said not to give communion to pro-choice politicians in thier (can't come up with the right word) regions are mostly considered whack-os by their own Parishioners... at least the guy in St. Louis was judging from what I read and saw. 3) I will mention that some of those who have commented against the mix of church and state in THIS context... I have herad some of you cheer loudly when the mix in question agreed with your personal point of view, and to remember this the next time ANY conversation of religion influncing government comes up. 4) to Matt: My methodist church has always been fairly liberal. Please explain the comment about female bishops? Does it really hurt your opion of methodism so much that methodists (who DO preach jesus is our savior, love your neighbor, and more) DON'T believe the bible is literall truth, and most of the man/woman rolls described therein are cultural and not neccessarily the way god wishes us to act??? I **KNOW** there are many "laws" described in that you consider as such... or did a few years ago anyway. Some randumb thoughts…

1)I”m going to leave alone the whole main point of this post because I moslty agree with the position.

2)The Catholic bishops (there are more than one) who have said not to give communion to pro-choice politicians in thier (can’t come up with the right word) regions are mostly considered whack-os by their own Parishioners… at least the guy in St. Louis was judging from what I read and saw.

3) I will mention that some of those who have commented against the mix of church and state in THIS context… I have herad some of you cheer loudly when the mix in question agreed with your personal point of view, and to remember this the next time ANY conversation of religion influncing government comes up.

4) to Matt: My methodist church has always been fairly liberal. Please explain the comment about female bishops? Does it really hurt your opion of methodism so much that methodists (who DO preach jesus is our savior, love your neighbor, and more) DON’T believe the bible is literall truth, and most of the man/woman rolls described therein are cultural and not neccessarily the way god wishes us to act??? I KNOW there are many “laws” described in that you consider as such… or did a few years ago anyway.

]]> By: Jim http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3879 Jim Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:00:11 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3879 Whoa...this sounds familiar. Who remembers 2k4 when the Bishops of New England said he'd deny communion to any Catholic elected official who did not oppose abortion? I suppose if any of our elected officials change their minds about policy just because a church tells them to do so, it will prove only too true what Karl Marx once said: "Religion is the opium of the masses." And if I may expound upon this quote, please keep two things in mind: 1) The nation of Iraq, while being a toilet before American troops were ordered to invade, will be even worse once American troops are ordered to leave, and nothing can change that; and 2) I'm not a Marxist (but even Karl Marx said that). Our fearless leader the President of the United States, on the other hand... Start writing your hate mail now. Whoa…this sounds familiar. Who remembers 2k4 when the Bishops of New England said he’d deny communion to any Catholic elected official who did not oppose abortion? I suppose if any of our elected officials change their minds about policy just because a church tells them to do so, it will prove only too true what Karl Marx once said:

“Religion is the opium of the masses.”

And if I may expound upon this quote, please keep two things in mind:
1) The nation of Iraq, while being a toilet before American troops were ordered to invade, will be even worse once American troops are ordered to leave, and nothing can change that; and
2) I’m not a Marxist (but even Karl Marx said that). Our fearless leader the President of the United States, on the other hand…

Start writing your hate mail now.

]]> By: Ben W http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3865 Ben W Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:51:32 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3865 My response will be in the form of a separate blog post probably next week. Short answer, even if they are right (sizable 'if', but one I'm more amenable to for no reason other than my own possible shift), the reasons, more specifically the facts on the ground, are inconsistent with reality My response will be in the form of a separate blog post probably next week.

Short answer, even if they are right (sizable ‘if’, but one I’m more amenable to for no reason other than my own possible shift), the reasons, more specifically the facts on the ground, are inconsistent with reality

]]> By: Pat http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3860 Pat Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:16:44 +0000 http://www.mattandnancy.org/matts-external-brain/bushs-own-church-calls-for-pulling-troops-out-of-iraq/#comment-3860 The "Declaration for Peace" ( http://www.declarationofpeace.org/files/pdf/Declaration-of-Peace.pdf ) is an explicitly political document, with participation from "more than 500 antiwar, peace, and justice organizations." If the Methodists have any spiritual reasoning for their position, I can't find it anywhere. And yes, I managed to read all of this without punching a hole in my monitor. The “Declaration for Peace” ( http://www.declarationofpeace.org/files/pdf/Declaration-of-Peace.pdf ) is an explicitly political document, with participation from “more than 500 antiwar, peace, and justice organizations.”
If the Methodists have any spiritual reasoning for their position, I can’t find it anywhere.
And yes, I managed to read all of this without punching a hole in my monitor.

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